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City pilots right-to-die scheme

Sam Kirby
8/ 5/2008

A CONTROVERSIAL new scheme, which provides people with the right to die in a medical emergency, is being piloted in Salford causing pro-life groups to brand it a ‘move towards legal suicide’.

In the first scheme of its kind in the UK, ‘Advanced Decision to Refuse Treatment’ (ADRT) cards can now be picked up from Swinton Library, instructing doctors not to treat a patient should they lose the capacity to make decisions, due to an accident or illness.

ADRTs already exist under the Mental Capacity Act 2005, for people who are terminally ill. The new cards will be available to all members of the public.


 

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   Jake. Can you believe that this guy wants to be an MP?

Don't get him started on speed cameras either as he tends to off on one!

A plague of locusts on all yellow boxes!
RS Eccles, Salford
5/06/2008 at 09:35
   Sadly you are clearly an idiotic fool as well as an advocate of evil Jake.

Christianity is truth - not fairytale (and I think you'll find several billion people around the world that agree with me).

Christianity will come to the fore again in this nation when the UK collapses to its knees through disaster or conquest as a result of fifty years of secular humanist evil.
Richard Carvath
22/05/2008 at 17:02
   Ah, the arrogant, high and mighty, holier than though attitude of the Christian Extremist (because if you were a Muslim saying the same things about homosexuality, for example, that is what you'd be called).

How refreshing to be reminded exactly why the majority of people no longer find the fairytales you believe in relevant.

Outdated, irrelevant, and marginalised. Exactly how it should be.
jake atkinson
22/05/2008 at 15:40
   I suppose this response will further disappoint you Jake but I have to say...

I am right and you are wrong, absolutely no doubt about it.

Christianity is not merely my personal viewpoint, some imagination of Richard Carvath, but is based absolutely upon the authentic historical facts of the life of Jesus Christ as given in the Bible.

Furthermore in regard of the issue of ADRT Cards and euthanasia everything I've said - about the Dutch experience and the Nazi euthanasia programme for example - is the truth and there is no denying it.

My predictions of where ADRT Cards will quickly lead our society are well reasoned and based on precedent and a deep familiarity with the people and ideologies behind the push for euthanasia [though I could only give a brief overview in a previous comment or it'd get too long].

Bibles are being removed left, right and centre from hotels and hospitals all the time and not only by individuals; many public bodies such as hospital trusts now forbid Bibles because Christianity 'offends' against the postmodern secular humanist new order they seek to impose. I'd rather it didn't happen of course but it doesn't bother me; I'm used to opposition and persecution.

For the record I also regularly remove homosexual pervert propaganda from public buildings, abortion propaganda and so-called 'sex education' propaganda aimed at teenagers amongst other things and there are other people like me who do the same. Who knows how much misery and suffering we avert, how many lives we save?

I stand for life and all that is good; I oppose abortion, euthanasia, homosexuality, pornography, promiscuity etc - in short I oppose evil and death. Woe to those who call evil as good and good as evil.
Richard Carvath
22/05/2008 at 14:40
   Richard, you seem to be under the impression that Christianity is anything other than simply a personal view point. I feel the same way about Christianity as you do about these cards, with the same strength of feeling and the same belief that I am utterly right.

So don't try and make your personal view point sound like fact.

Finally, there are a group of people who remove bibles from hotel rooms whenever they come across them, would you be in support of that too, even if it is only symbolic...............?!
jake atkinson
22/05/2008 at 13:00
   Jake... I'm afraid I do dare - frequently! As to who on earth I think I am, I'm Richard Carvath, a Christian political activist standing against evil in obedience to God just like William Wilberforce, Dietrich Bonhoeffer and countless others before me.

In deliberately removing cards I did the right thing (though it was largely symbolic because of course more have been put out).

You talk about me removing choice from people but ADRT Cards are not about patient choice or people's rights - that's a propaganda lie.

ADRT Cards are about starting to establish a culture in which euthanasia is 'acceptable' and if we carry on down this road then before too much longer doctors will be routinely killing people without consent or even against their will - we're talking about state sanctioned murder by 'licenced to kill' doctors and nurses - and furthermore it won't just be in cases of terminal illnesses... it'll be for a wide range of medical trivialities.

As a society, once we say killing [by omission as at present, and probably in time by act] is a permissible 'solution' in one situation, then fairly soon killing will become the 'final solution' in a wide range of circumstances. Trust me on that... I know my history on abortion, eugenics and utilitarianism, as I know my history on many things. Mark my words... these cards are a very significant step towards state sanctioned murder of the elderly, the disabled and the vulnerable.

My actions are not selfish but selfless. I save life by my conduct. I urge all people to choose life because death is no choice at all.

If I might finish 'philosophically', we're all 'dead' anyway until we choose life. I'll give you a certificate to say that you are 'presently dead' if you like! Have a think about that one!

Choose life!
Richard Carvath
21/05/2008 at 22:49
   The Mental Capacity Act 2005 allows euthanasia by omission (for example by the withholding of food and water) and the Act created 'Advance Decisions' - known as 'living wills'.

The Salford pilot scheme of ADRT Cards is a PR propaganda campaign to con the public into embracing euthanasia. The cards have been called the 'Right to Die' Cards but that is very misleading as the cards are really about conning people into signing their own death warrant by agreeing to euthanasia (by omission). Euthanasia is not about the 'right to die' - but it is about giving doctors the 'right to kill' people. The 'Right to Die' will soon become the 'Duty to Die'. The 'Right to Die' is really about the 'Right to Kill'.

The propaganda tactic behind this pilot scheme is to present the cards as being all about patient choice and patient rights - which on the face of it sounds like a good thing - but it's a lie. The cards are about making euthanasia culturally acceptable by stealth because ultimately - directly or indirectly, officially or unofficially - the decision making power in the cases of vulnerable incapacitated people will gravitate very strongly away from such people and towards doctors. Euthanasia is not about patient choice or people's rights - it is about cutting costs to the NHS and about creating a eugenic society.

Euthanasia cannot be controlled in the straightforward manner this pilot scheme implies. The 'Death Warrant' Cards - as I prefer to refer to them - are wide open to abuses such as forgery or vulnerable people being manipulated into participation. People will be pressurised 'not to be a burden'. And some participants in the scheme will inevitably change their minds and yet die against their wishes because of administrative errors, clinical negligence or deliberate malpractice. It is easy for doctors and nurses to fabricate medical notes to cover their tracks if they are so minded to see somebody off sooner rather than later - especially so when vulnerable people are concerned.

People are not 'better off dead'. Most terminally ill people who express interest in early death are depressed but this state of mind does vary over time and such depression is eminently treatable. Furthermore the encouragement of euthanasia flies in the face of huge improvements in hospices and advances in palliative care in recent years. It should be remembered that the deprivation of food and water to hasten death inevitably causes prolonged suffering to the victim. Death from thirst and starvation is horrible, painful and slow.

Where is this pilot scheme leading British society? Well, 'voluntary' euthanasia inexorably leads to involuntary euthanasia (that is - murder!). If ADRT Cards become popular, in time the Government will bring in legislation which goes further and so the application of euthanasia will move away from terminal conditions and become a 'treatment option' - so to speak - for anything from depression to stress to loneliness to fear of impending disease or fear of decline - and of course become a convenient way to get rid of disabled people.

The Nazis ran a large, organised euthanasia programme to get rid of the disabled, the mentally ill, the elderly, those deemed to be 'idiots', infants with birth defects or congenital diseases such as Down's Syndrome and also people with medical conditions such as epilepsy, polio, schizophrenia, paralysis and Huntington's Disease. That's where we are heading if we carry on down this road.

When euthanasia was legalised in Holland in 1984 it quickly materialised that euthanasia could not be controlled. Safeguards could not be imposed or maintained. Doctors could easily circumvent the law once they were 'licenced to kill'.

In Holland today at least a thousand people (including children) are killed every year without their expressed consent and/or against their will. This is murder. It is impossible to know just how many people are being murdered by doctors in Holland every year because 'dead men tell no tales' and Dutch doctors doing the paperwork often don't bother to tell the authorities when they've given someone a lethal send-off.

Ironically in comparison to this ADRT Cards pilot scheme... in Holland the Dutch Patients Association now distributes a card to help protect people from being murdered by euthanasia; the card instructs: "...no treatment be administered with the intention to terminate life."
Richard Carvath
21/05/2008 at 16:39
   Richard, how DARE you. Who on earth do you think you are? How would you feel if I went around all the Churches and removed the bibles? Your actions are part of a concerted effort by the pro-life lobby to attempt step by stealthy step to remove choice and control over our own lives. I cannot put into words how stunned and angry I am by your selfish, narrow minded actions.
jake atkinson
21/05/2008 at 13:21
   In the last couple of days I've met with unanimous disapproval of and opposition towards the death cards.

To reiterate the reaction of just one person amongst many who is horrified by these death cards, when I met with Lord David Alton last night his immediate response was, "There are enough people committing suicide in this country already without further encouraging the practice."

Lord Alton later condemned the scheme in an address to a meeting gathered at Salford Cathedral [which meeting was concerned with the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill currently in the House of Commons]; Lord Alton noted the links between those people and organisations which are pushing to further liberalise the UK abortion laws and those seeking to introduce open euthanasia ( or so-called 'assisted suicide', which once introduced quickly becomes involuntary... the so-called 'right' to die quickly becomes the obligation to die).
Richard Carvath
9/05/2008 at 13:53
   I'm appalled by these cards and I removed as many as I could from Swinton Library yesterday. The cards are part of a concerted effort by the euthanasia lobby to attempt step by stealthy step to introduce euthanasia.

I'd like to post some comments about euthanasia here but I don't have the time right now. Maybe another time.

Having met and corresponded with David Entwistle on several occasions, there is much which I would like to say about the public face promoting these death cards to the public, however - knowing that this website's editor could not risk the potential legalities of letting such comments through - I'll simply say people can get hold of me for further comment 'on the grapevine'.
Richard Carvath
8/05/2008 at 16:34
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